Hi Pal — more Gish Gallop going on so I’m just going to keep it brief. As you correctly sussed out, I no longer identify as a feminist (although I once did). However, I do still have a life long list of experiences that inform my pragmatic interest in seeing women (and men) have better, safer, more fulfilling lives that they have chosen for themselves and not the ones that have been foisted upon them by society. You seem incapable of parsing out the difference between a political ideology and a concrete list of desirable changes that are derived from personal (and collective) experience.

I’m glad you’ve found a kindred spirit in Tristan. His assertions were just as specious and needlessly defensive as yours and he didn’t even respond to my last rebuttal because…….. there really wasn’t anything for him to say in response to it. Those cultures are not patriarchies and that was my sole point in linking that article. Your insistence that because there are some traditional roles for both males and females is not the same thing at all. It’s grasping at straws.

Abolition of slavery was a natural process not subject to the will or intention of any individual or advocacy movement,” WTF dude, really?! It just sort of eased it’s way out naturally without benefit of 4 years of the bloodiest war ever held on American soil after close to 100 years of abolitionist activity? If you actually believe this, I don’t really know what to say?

I’m truly shaking my head at you. 🤦‍♀️

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1821

In 1821, Florida officially joined the Union. By this time, slaveholders were importing more and more enslaved people to Florida to meet the nation’s growing need for cotton and sugar.

It was in these fields that a new form of slavery surfaced, known as “pushing,” in which transitory planters raised production requirements to maximize their wealth. This forced workers to work even faster, harder and endure more workplace abuse than ever.

1860

By 1860, nearly 44 percent of the state’s population was enslaved. Human beings were considered property that comprised “the backbone of Florida’s economy.”

1863

The emancipation proclamation was signed by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863. But the agriculture industry still wanted the monetary advantages that came with a low-wage and vulnerable workforce. Threat and violence in the fields ensued.

1882–1930

During this time, more black Floridians were lynched than anyone else. These hangings were often linked to labor disputes.

Jim Crow laws tightened and forced labor persisted. African American men were often arrested on minor vagrancy charges and forced to work in labor camps run by the phosphate, agriculture and forest industries.

This convict-lease system subsequently drove down wages for free workers, who had to compete with convicts forced to work. Florida abolished the convict-lease system in 1923, but was one of the last states to do so.

Forms of servitude in the farms could be somewhat sneaky. In the 20th century, employers provided a mandatory “company store” by which workers were forced to pay rent, and buy food, wine, beer and cigarettes at inflated prices. The workers often racked up a debt they couldn’t pay and therefore a workplace they couldn’t escape.

1935

In 1935, farm workers were excluded from protections provided by the New Deal like the right to a minimum wage, overtime pay and collective bargaining. Farm workers were once again, powerless to make a change in the cold and rigid system.

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